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Lori
03-17-2007, 02:28 PM
I'm thinking about this in the context of the Couey sentence. He was found, depending on the test given, to have an IQ ranging from 64 to 74, and the most recent edition of the most common test put his IQ at 64.

Putting aside the issue of sentencing him to death, which I think is wrong in all cases, I'm really not sure how I feel about this case. I think it's very strange that the issue of his cognitive capacity never came up in other discussions of the case. The fact that he is, according to the diagnostic tests that would be used today, mentally retarded seems like an important piece of information. I also find the idea of a trial in a case like that very odd, because the whole idea of a jury trial is that we have a jury of our peers, but in a case like this, is it really a jury of his peers if the jury has a level of cognitive understanding that he can't achieve?

Obviously he's a danger to society, and poses a threat to the public, and should be locked up. But I do think that his actions or motivations might be qualitatively different from the actions or motivations of a person with normal cognitive capabilities who did the same thing.

I have an aunt who is mentally retarded, and when I was a kid, she used to hit and kick all her little nieces and nephews when she was mad at us. Obviously, if another adult were to do that, it would be horrible and abusive, but in her case, she wasn't being either. I obviously don't think she should have been charged with assault or child abuse because she was reacting in a way that, however inappropriate for an adult her age, was not inappropriate given her cognitive abilities. (Plus, she always had supervision nearby, and was always stopped when she was behaving that way.) That's a far cry from what Couey did, and he seems significantly less impaired than my aunt is, but I'm still troubled by the fact that his cognitive impairments were deemed legally irrelevant by the court system and the jury.

What do you think? At what point should someone's cognitive capabilities be considered, and how should they be taken into consideration?

Jo
03-17-2007, 04:58 PM
I feel it needs to be taken into account when it affects their ability to distinguish right from wrong in an adult sense. I feel that if you lack the ability to think abstractly then you lack the ability to fully understand the consequence of your actions. Sure, someone might understand the black and white of the situation but not like an adult would with full cognitive functioning.

I don't know enough about Couey's functional level to speak directly to that. I do think IQ is more than just numbers and how a person functions in life is also relevant. I would also agree that his cognitive and mental issues should be taken into account by the jury and court system. A violent person regardless of cognitive ability does not belong in society but I do think if someone is mentally retarded that should be a part of the decision about where they belong.

Polly
03-17-2007, 09:08 PM
I remember seeing the British film,"Let Him Have It," years ago. It dealt with the same subject and really made an impression on me. The mildly MR young man participates in a murder, not really understanding what is going on. He is caught, tried, and sentenced to death. As I recall, it is true story. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102288/

Horribly depressing. I'm not English, but I remember hearing about how this case really changed the British Law in regards to treatment of MR criminals.

Polly

gr8mommy
03-19-2007, 01:21 PM
I think the question of mental capacity and legal responsibility are largely obvious without the need for formal IQ testing. Very rarely would there be a question for those who truly have cognitive impairments.

The fact that this has never come up as an issue with Couey until now (at least that I've heard) leads me to conclude that it is a last-distch effort by a creative attorney to try and manipulate the courts.

Lori
03-19-2007, 01:39 PM
The fact that this has never come up as an issue with Couey until now (at least that I've heard) leads me to conclude that it is a last-distch effort by a creative attorney to try and manipulate the courts.

I'm not sure about that. His cognitive problems have been documented for decades. If they didn't come out in the media, I honestly believe it's because the media has a vested interest in creating fear in people, and a perfectly normal person with normal cognitive abilities murdering a child is far more frightening than the idea of a cognitively impaired drug addict doing it. The media needed him to be a monster, because that gets ratings. The girls' family needed him to be a monster because they've been calling for revenge. And he's been held up on FL as a symbol of evil, so he had to be a monster for the legal system there. If he is a person who is cognitively disabled, it's a lot harder to make him out to be that monster. Suddenly what happened is, while still awful, more tragic than monstrous, and involves a whole lot of people failing a whole lot of people, rather than just one singular act of evil. That's a narrative that's harder to sell and harder to feel good about, so I'm not surprised this was suppressed by the people giving public statements.

gr8mommy
03-19-2007, 01:46 PM
What I meant was that it didn't appear to be an issue with any of his other crimes, at least that's what I've heard.

Besides, I'd wager that unless someone is in a vegetative state, they'd know that wrapping a little girl in a plastic garbage bag and burying her in a hole in the back yard while she's still alive would be a bad, bad thing.